Speaking + Magic
We can laugh together and still talk about something that matters.
I’m a pastor and speaker who also happens to be a magician. Sometimes those two parts of my life work really well in the same room.
Tell Me About Your EventTwo things I love
Connection opens the room. Truth gives the moment somewhere to go.
Speaking
Let’s talk about something worth carrying home.
I preach, teach, and train around the gospel, discipleship, evangelism, missions, calling, leadership, and the things your event is already trying to say.
Magic
Let’s make the room feel like we actually know each other.
Magic gives people a reason to laugh, respond, participate, and become part of what is happening instead of simply watching it.
Why I combine them
The magic is not the message.
I don’t need to turn every card trick into an object lesson.
The magic can simply help us laugh, get comfortable, and stop feeling like a speaker is talking at a room full of strangers.
Then the message gets to stand on its own.
When you need someone to speak
Tell me what your people need.
I’ve spent most of my adult life in ministry. Speaking is not something I added because I already owned a microphone.
Your event comes first. These are simply some of the areas I regularly speak about.
There isn’t one formula
We can build this around your event.
Magic inside the message
A few moments woven through the session where they naturally help the room connect.
Magic first. Speaking after.
Start with a longer set, build a shared experience, and then shift naturally into the message.
A show one night. Speaking the next.
Especially at camps and conferences, this gives us time to have fun together before we ever get to the message.
Barely any magic at all.
If the event needs a speaker more than a magician, that is completely fine.
I don’t want to talk at the room
I want us to actually spend some time together.
The best moments feel conversational, even when the room is huge.
People talk back. Volunteers change what happens. Unexpected things become part of the night.
And sometimes you only need one
I don’t need every booking to be both.
Speaking
Need someone to preach, teach, or train?
Great. We can leave the deck of cards in the case and focus entirely on what your people need to hear.
Magic
Need everybody to just have a great night?
Also great. We can do a full show with no forced message attached to it.
I love getting a laugh
I also want the moment to last.
The magic can be memorable. The message should still matter tomorrow.
Start with the event
Tell me what you’re planning.
You don’t need to decide how much speaking or magic you want before we talk.
Tell me about your people.
Who is coming? What kind of room are we walking into?
Tell me what you hope happens.
Do they need to laugh? Think? Respond? Hear something clearly?
We build from there.
Speaking, magic, both, or something in between.
Let’s talk
A great moment can open the room. A great message can stay with people.
Tell me what you’re working on. We can figure out the rest together.
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